What problem do you see this solving?
While going through thumbnails in the Browser window and star rating them, I often want to take a quick look at a 100% view in the Viewer window to check for focus, etc. (I use two monitors.)
But in Capture One I have grab the mouse, click the Viewer window, tap period, then tap comma to reduce the image to fit, then use the mouse to tap back to the Browser window. It really slows down the process quite a bit.
When was the last time you were affected by this lack of functionality, or specific tool?
I'm affected by this every single day, with every single import, as I go through my routine of examining, star rating, and deleting photos. Often several times a day.
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First two questions of yours: I'm not actively observing what's going on, but years, if not a decade ago it already started to "let grow together": iTunes was rebuilt from a management system for my own bought and imported music to a sales platform of the then iTunes Store, today app store. Same with iPhoto/Aperture: They were merged together to become Apple Photos. I guess, both were killed by Apple as there were no sufficient tablet processors around or would have cost double or triple of the already sky high Apple prices.
I never tried to run an app for iPad... no that's wrong, I already did only two weeks ago, was not working, but the app was a rather minor thing. So I still can't give an answer.
Tomorrow I will stop a subscription for a CAD-app (shapr3D) which actually comes as iPad and desktop version. Had that "pleasure" to use it for one year, gave me new insights in swearing at things/apps as complicated things worked surprisingly easy and straightforward, but some simple things like 2D drawings were maybe just forgotten or the devs never learnt how to draw in CAD.
As both iPad Pro and Air and Macbooks and desktops use the same M1/M2 processors, the remaining question is how to make the interface work best. Shapr3D needs an Apple pencil to work efficiently - however, this can be a more shaky thing than a mouse on a solid, fixed desktop.
Sure, one can weld wings on a car and fix a propeller in front of it, but to make that thing fly, needs a tad more effort. Some Apple devs clearly are in deep love with Iron Man and Jarvis...
I'm not in the Apple ecosystem except from an older iPhone and ancient iPad4, so pardon my question: Is the new iPad OS a Mac OS and can the C1 mobile version run on Apple notebooks/desktops? If not today maybe in the future?
It might be a way for them, provided the mobile version evolves sufficiently to become a full fledged version, or if the requirements amongst the next generation of photographers/editors change.
You pretty much summarize what I also think to be expected. I just don't see an iPad as capable of seriously editing images, but who cares? Couple of AI filters and it's done.
Yeah, cross-selling seems more important then getting the core product right. But then, a 25 years or so old software is probably at the end of its life-cycle, if there are no major investments to refactoring, maybe the mobile version, fresh coding, will become the only version in a few years time, who knows.
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Short answer: No, I'm not bothered by this "bug by design". The other way of navigating with Magic Mouse in a 100% view is more convenient and intuitive to me. And as it's not done by C1, it works well.
Longer answer: I only see the effects on a Mac, have no idea about the general difficulties of graphics interactions between Mac and Win, but I suspect there are many and some of them tricky to program around. I'm used to what I already called "stupid design decisions" (that was for the forum software layout) and already got bashed for that, filed already a couple of bug reports, wasted lot of time and nerves and only one got fixed after 2 main versions.
I'm also used that C1 doesn't consider two screen settings (and filed it here as desired improvements, but as I see it, for the devs other stuff like C1 on iPad have higher priority than fixing what's bothering some users.
Can you submit a bug report?
I gave it a try.
Another example of unfinished thinking of C1 devs, sorry to judge it that way. Why?
From left to right: monitor 1 [browser, scrollbar at the right border of the monitor screen] > monitor 2 [editor left, tool tabs right side].
Zoom in to 100%, "hand"-tool is active. Right click on the right side of the image in editor on monitor 2. Navigation window is shown on monitor 1, right side of the browser. Whhuuut? ½ meter mouse way and back because the devs wanted the nav window outside of the editor? As soon as the mouse pointer leaves the window, it closes again. Although it's already not hiding any image part. Phew.
Ian, are you also stopping your car, exit and go to the trunk to check the nav? And if you're walking away because the note with the address is still in front of the wheel, the trunk closes automatically?
Only a rhetoric question because of all behaviours C1 devs very often hit the most unpleasant, unusual "solution". Of course, only in my experience. And nothing really bad – as I already said, I'm faster by panning on the surface of my Apple mouse. That nav window is something I didn't know, thanks for pointing it out, but I will forget it rather quick.
Thank you, I'll give it at try when I'm back home.
I think the right click on the image only works if you are in the hand tool (which I am by default). Also I have a vague idea (maybe mistaken) that on Windows you can use the space bar to activate it?
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The red areas are an overlay I painted into the screenshot to show the not used space of the navigator window. It's not entirely correct, the areas become smaller than shown in a landscape oriented shot, but still roughly 1 cm left and right is wasted.
Mine doesn't look or act like yours (Windows/Mac issue?): I have to activate it manually. To collapse it, I need to click on the ∨ left of "Navigator", after that it becomes a small stripe but remains in place.
The window types in your screenhsot are much better than this navigator thing, hence I never saw it in Capture One. That bit with "right click on the image" I sometimes used to get a context menu, but at the moment I can't recall that this opened an overview. But I also cannot say for sure if I ever right clicked in an image I zoomed in.
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3. and on a portrait oriented image it shows a portrait oriented floating window.
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Aperture is working on my iMac from 2010. With the latest system Aperture and iTunes are working with. There were big changes in Apples "media paradigm" after Apple declared Aperture dead and replaced it by a crappy app which is neither iPhotos nor Aperture, just worse in everything than both of the old apps.
Oh, and as personal note: it took me around 4-5 years to accept there's nothing on the market like Aperture was. I was very close to giving up photography because of that fact. Talking about that events still makes me sad. I can understand that no company want to take the effort to develop features "normal for Aperture" as no company except Adobe has the manpower to get that done. With the possible outcome that users comment like "oh, now they made an Aperture clone. Just not as good...."
I sometimes open an image in Nikon NX Studio for the used focus point.
Aperture is still working on your machine, but not on newer OSs?
Hmm, that's a point of view, I believe. I'm only make them "as bad" as they are to me, comparing one way of working to the other. And as I said, the navigator (in C1) doesn't have a real advantage over "panning with a magic mouse" (which is kind of a mobile trackpad on a Mac and a bit confusing in the beginning). I don't think that any full time Windows user could navigate with it "just like that". But it helps.
The rectangles are the possible focus points, the red one was the active one at the time of the shot. Also, different cameras were shown with different focus points. D7000, D8xx had this big rectangles (and these are in their OVF also rather big places) while a D5xxx has really tiny ones - good to get a better focus in wide angle shots with plenty of stuff at various distances.
I once was told, the different sizes were only symbolic and wouldn't have to do anything with the "true size" of the focus modules. But that was a Pentax user defending his holy camera choice and either using C1 or LR, but generally hating Aperture. At the end, no Aperture dev and not knowing. To me, the size of this focus rectangles also gave me sometimes an explanation why focus was off as an obstacle was partly in that frame. But as it is with indirect AF systems, between "pushing the button" and "all gates are open to expose an image" can happen a lot.
I was just too lazy to switch them off for this screenshot. And I learnt a bit about autofocusing, back- or frontfocus with them. I mean, the camera already provides them in it's EXIF, so why not using them to check?
The navigation-field only pops up if there's something to navigate: in all zoom ratios bigger than "fit". It is not a floating window, at least I could not float it or find a shortcut to do so. But when am I at 100%? When I need to work precisely on a spot of the image, meaning I already don't see the full image. It never disturbed me sitting on the right side of the edit window.
Feature requests for C1? You have no idea how many hours I already spend with making screen shots, screen videos and suggesting some of the features of Aperture to make life a bit easier. I suspect, whenever C1 is confronted with Aperture functions, gates are closing faster than a preview is made. I'm sick of it, because new suggestions are rarely ever bundled and even rarer become real, they just disappear into black darkness of this "keep the unhappy users out of sight" area. Remember, the standard sorting order here is "votes". And some of the high voted "requests" are between 3 months and 4 years old. C1 users (in my eyes) are accustomed to more complicated ways of working, how it could be easier is often beyond their imagination. For Aperture devs life was easy: No one had ever to consider "but it also has to work on windows" - with that requirement in the specs, Aperture would possibly have been a pretty poor project.
If you use the navigator in the toolbar, or two monitors, much of the shortcomings you mentioned are not as bad as you make it here.
I don't know Aperture, are these distracting rectangles from a screenshot or do you try to illustrate something? Can you move the navigator out of the picture area like a floating window in C1?
But you have good points, why not create a change request, e.g. auto-resize for the portrait orientation or improving the bad manual resizing...
I know the "navigation window" of C1.
Apterure devs were rather clever: The little black thumbnail can be moved everywhere in the editor window. Mouseover and I see a rather usable view, grab the rectangle and move it to the part of the image I like to see. Zoom can be anything between 25% and 1000%, literally in increasing increments. The smaller the enlargement, the smaller the steps.
Capture One: Whereever I move the navigator to, it's in the way, doesn't minimize automatically, zoom is 100%, 200%, 400% and everything needs one or two clicks more.
And it can't do anything I could not do with the magic mouse, once I'm at my magnification factor.
Plus, it's a rather mindless waste of space - the red areas are never used, so why do they need to cover chunks of my image with no benefit? I'd be ok with a squarish window (green frame). But why are portrait oriented images not as high as the landscape oriented ones are wide? What's the point behind that? The whole frame has always a fixed proportion. I cannot scale it bigger, I cannot alter the proportion - for portrait orientation it's far less precise than for landscape. "copied and worsened", I'd say.
C1 has a navigation window too, it does not show the focus point but good for navigation in 100% view.
It's not that the grass is greener on the other side. It's only green, but this side (at least in terms of image organisation) is flat-out brown, like rather dead leaves.
I would not call myself a very experienced Aperture user and in the beginning I had some troubles to understand the database handling because coming from Windows to Mac it took me a while to understand how easy and simple to use a PC can be. Same with Aperture. Often I thought overly complicated. After working through the book of Mr. Scoppetuolo about Aperture 3 everything became a lot easier. And still is easier than C1's poor concept of DAM.
And I'm still a bit proud of having been able to get the colored icons back. Apple's decision to move away from a colour scheme to grey in grey - I hated it. So I modified the icons and my smart albums were purple again, clearly different from blue albums and yellow projects. Didn't understand the reasoning "to make it look more pro".