Please Improve noise reduction to modern standards

May be make aliance with DXO plugin’in ?

this is more or less the only thing keeping me from switching from adobe.

The denoise and sharpening features are out of date. I agree that the C1 versions can make your photos worse.

I am going to pay $200 for Topaz for features that are in Lightroom and should be in C1. I'm not ready to move back to Lightroom, but I am thinking about it.

@BeO

Yes, using bigger colorspaces did cause some problems with conversion into sRGB.

Deep Blue in ProPhotoRGB is replaced with purple in sRGB, so after the conversion the images did not look as nice (Blue of the sky, faces etc.)

When i work with the target colorspace it does make much less problems.

And since our customers are normal people, its not a problem.

Interesting, thanks.

Is there a reason why you convert to sRGB so early in your workflow?

I have an example video here that shows the extended process, i.e. there is still a correction in photoshop.

Otherwise it's always the same for me, no matter if its a nature image or a wedding.

Note that this is before the last update, i.e. now the style includes the AI masks (for background and object) and a luma mask (for the highlights).

The system used was a Ryzen 7950X, 64GB ECC, AMD Radeon PRO W6800 ECC (2020 GPU, Like AMD RX 6800, ECC = Memory Error Correction and makes the system more stable)

If you want to have fun with AI denoising you need about 20 teraflops.

And I advise you to buy a professional GPU, do yourself a favor and don't buy a gaming GPU.

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Thank you Thomas.

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Yes, Deep Prime XD is Xtreme Detail.

And yes, i use it in mass Processing since 2020 (DeepPrime), 2022 (Deep Prime XD).

I lower it to 30%, to avoid artifacts, i also use the lens correction (vignetting), i export to dng and use this files in Capture One with a special "Style" that does use a special color correction (i would call it natural colors).

After Capture One i do antother denoising, with Topaz PhotoAI for images above ISO 1600, to get them more perfect.

I use the autopilot, which I set in the preferences so that it really only filters out the roughest noise.

Can you please tell me what is "Xtreme detail"? Do you mean DeepPrime XD, and do you use DeepPrime XD in mass processing?

(I use DXO Photolab 6 on occasion, for select images, but mostly the old DeepPrime). 

Hi, 

Since DxO DeepPrime was released (2020 with PhotoLab), as an improvement in the Xtreme detail version (2022, with PhotoLab 6), there has not been a single photo that I have processed without it.

Xtreme detail in particular improves the demosaic and makes the output of my images finer, the colors are much better and not washed out.

My photography has changed since I started using AI denoising.

I can concentrate more on the photography and less on the camera.

That means I'm always in AV mode (-0.5 EV / -1EV, to avoid cutting the highlights) at weddings, always with Auto ISO (100 to 25600), the only thing I control is the aperture.

The camera is allowed to go up to ISO 25600 on its own (most are between ISO 400 and 3200), which it really only does late at night and I don't have to throw these pictures away.

When I see people on instagram being told to shoot in manual mode because they need to have control over the camera, I get annoyed.

I have the possibility to limit the behavior of the camera so that I can imagine what it will do and therefore it remains in my control.

If I had to set the camera for every situation, I would miss a lot of important situations.

Smartphones are catching up in terms of quality and have already overtaken around 40% of amateur to semi-professional photographers.

Why should I as a customer book someone who is slower than a smartphone, because he has to take care about the "right" settings? 

Move with the times or time will move with you.

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Because Capture One has now, especially with the last update (16.3.4, 4 days ago), become a mass image processing weapon, I am now able to process 2000 images in 4 days, in single image Photoshop editing quality.

374108460437 So you're going to pop into a post that you've contributed nothing to and moan because someone hasn't considered your specific situation and, worse, call them out??? Dude.  Check yourself before you post. 

@Eugene Girshtel
We know that. NR needs to be applied to preview images. I constantly have to double check settings or zoom in to see if NR has been applied. It is ridiculous to have to do that. Editing 800 event photos at a time makes your solution a total non-starter. Think before you post.

If you zoom into 100% or even 66% you will see the noise reduction applied. I don't see an issue with this as you want to be zoomed in at 100% to accurately judge noise reduction and sharpness.

I would just like c1 noise reduction to actually appear in the photo preview, not just the tiny "focus" pane.  But I don't subscribe and am still on '22 so it's wishful thinking that I'll ever get that without coughing up $ for a new version :( 

Right now I'm batch processing C1 output through Topaz AI - It's not *too* bad a workflow thanks at least to the fact that the developers at Topaz implemented reasonable batch controls, but it's certainly a step I'd rather not have to take!

I've just downloaded the Capture One Pro free trial to see what I'm missing. I've been using DxO PhotoLab 7, which is better than Lightroom IMO. The high ISO denoising is SO good in PL7!

Although I'm really liking the workflow in Capture One Pro better than DxO PL7, the terrible noise reduction is the only thing holding me back from purchasing or subscribing to this software. I don't want to have to use two different programs for denoising and editing. That defeats the purpose! The last thing I want to do is extend my time staring at the screen.

Please update this to modern standards (as suggested above) and you'll have a winning piece of software. I'll click "buy" as soon as I see this at least match the other post-processing software.

I would absolutely love C1 to have a feature comparable to the denoise on Lr, it’s definitely holding the programme back from its main competitor and I feel that it would absolutely level up the gap, bringing C1 to the forefront. At the moment editing low light images is pretty difficult

After using C1 for years I must now say that I agree with Tino regarding the noise reduction topic. At least conditionally. I don't know why, but if I export images in their original resolution, they turn out pretty darn good (even when shot at high ISO). However, as soon as I export an image scaled down (to, say, something like 1200px or 1500px on the long edge), the result for some reason appears to be much more noisy than the original res. viewed at 100%! Which basically makes no sense, since the noise should become less visible when an image is scaled down. But it's a fact that I have to deal with and I don't like it. It gets even more weird: If I export the finished & denoised image as a 16bit TIFF, then re-import that TIFF again and export a 1200px JPEG from that TIFF, then I finally end up with something that looks like the result I would have wanted / expected right from the start when exporting a smaller version from the edited RAW.

Ian, I also don't use catalog, but that may not be the problem. Apology in advance if this has nothing to do with your problem.

Is it possible you are selecting "Edit with"? If so, you need to use "Open with". PR3 should show in the menu when you right click whichever you choose. I'm using Canon so .cr3 file gets sent to PR3 and comes back as a .dng. In PR3 preferences I have selected to return the .dng to the same folder, so it appears next to the original Raw. Same goes for Topaz. Don't know if using Catalog makes a difference in whether the file appears without reimporting, in Sessions it just appears.

I have seen videos on YT of people using PR3 with catalogues and there should be an option in PR3 to reimport the processed files into the catalogue.

https://youtu.be/v22QJiKMz0g?si=b7i5sdOqrfilXvnq

Starts at about 2:25